2008-12-06T11:02:44  <Procyon> OK, we'll get started.
2008-12-06T11:03:16  <Procyon> First, as always, I want to thank all of you for coming.  This is a chance for me to catch everyone up on the latest developments, and there have been a lot lately.
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2008-12-06T11:03:47  <Procyon> For that reason, it has occurred to me that it might be a better use of time if I provided a preamble that everyone could read before the meeting starts,
2008-12-06T11:04:02  <Arrow> Ok?
2008-12-06T11:04:06  <Procyon> so that you don't have to sit here and read everything I type for a bunch of minutes before any discussion takes place.
2008-12-06T11:04:12  <Procyon> Arrow?
2008-12-06T11:04:18  <Arrow> Ya?
2008-12-06T11:04:25  <Procyon> lol, ok what?
2008-12-06T11:04:34  <Arrow> I'm wondering about your preamble. =P
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2008-12-06T11:04:44  <Procyon> Hey Dan, welcome.
2008-12-06T11:04:47  <Skizzerz> hey ness :)
2008-12-06T11:04:54  <ness> Hey there.
2008-12-06T11:05:14  <ness> Sorry to interrupt midway. Feel free to continue.
2008-12-06T11:05:25  <Skizzerz> we didn't really start yet :)
2008-12-06T11:05:31  <Procyon> Arrow, what I'm saying is we always start with this long message typed out by me,
2008-12-06T11:05:35  <ness> Ah, I see.
2008-12-06T11:05:37  <Procyon> and if I mailed it around to everyone first,
2008-12-06T11:05:47  <Procyon> we could spend more time with discussion from the start.
2008-12-06T11:05:57  <Skizzerz> hmm... how will that work w/ the logs then?
2008-12-06T11:06:02  <Procyon> So that's what I will try to do from the next meeting going forward.
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2008-12-06T11:06:23  <Procyon> Skiz: I can post the preamble to both the Google Group, and to the forum,
2008-12-06T11:06:25  <Procyon> Prod!!!
2008-12-06T11:06:28  <Skizzerz> Procyon: sounds good
2008-12-06T11:06:57  <Procyon> Yeah, it will flow better.
2008-12-06T11:07:19  <Procyon> So since I have _not_ sent a preamble out for this meeting, I'll just start with the latest developments.
2008-12-06T11:07:51  <Procyon> First, on the small side, we have DoubleJump Books.
2008-12-06T11:08:04  <Procyon> All of you have probably seen the new announcement for their Persona 4 guide on the front page.
2008-12-06T11:08:23  <Procyon> Tim Lindquist sent me two free copies of the guide.  I want you to know what he went through to keep up his end of the partnership.
2008-12-06T11:08:41  <Procyon> They ran out of space in this guide.  They print no advertising, and they had no empty back page.
2008-12-06T11:08:52  <Procyon> The editors were saying they'd have to leave the SW ad out.
2008-12-06T11:09:10  <Procyon> Tim said no, and had them print the ad in the back inside cover of the guide.  It cost them an extra $250 to do that.
2008-12-06T11:09:25  <Skizzerz> wow
2008-12-06T11:09:37  <ness> Oh, wow.
2008-12-06T11:09:38  <Procyon> So, I really appreciated his dedication.
2008-12-06T11:09:53  <ness> Yeah, definitely noble of him.
2008-12-06T11:10:00  <Procyon> And it is there, printed right on the inside of the back cover.  Looks nice because it's extra glossy.
2008-12-06T11:10:19  <Prod> Thanks Tim!
2008-12-06T11:10:26  <Procyon> As for that second copy I have, I hope to get it into th e hands of Nick Chester, the editor-in-chief of Destructoid.com
2008-12-06T11:10:40  <Procyon> I'm supposed to meet with him socially some time next week, which is awesome.
2008-12-06T11:10:44  <Procyon> So that's DoubleJump.
2008-12-06T11:11:00  <ness> Ooh, fun.
2008-12-06T11:11:13  <Procyon> Next up is GamerDNA.  I have no doubt that you have all noticed the slightly jarring, but eye popping Child's Play charity promotion.
2008-12-06T11:11:46  <Procyon> It does serve as a bit of a contest within the GamerDNA alliance, and I knew there was no chance that we'd win, but I wanted to participate anyway due to
2008-12-06T11:12:01  <Procyon> a) the fact that it was for a charity, and a video game related charity at that, so it doesn't matter who wins,
2008-12-06T11:12:17  <Procyon> and b) to show GamerDNA that we wanted to be more than just clients, we want to be participants.
2008-12-06T11:12:20  <Procyon> Speaking of which,
2008-12-06T11:12:40  <Procyon> I finally got to have an awesome long phone conference with the guys in charge of GamerDNA Thursday night.
2008-12-06T11:12:59  <Procyon> I have volunteered to be a reference for their B round of due diligence with their venture capitalist.
2008-12-06T11:13:21  <Procyon> Which means, I will be getting phone calls and asked about what I think of them and stuff, and what our plans are.
2008-12-06T11:13:48  <Procyon> So they took the opportunity to explain more of what they are doing, and believe me, the whole ad placement thing is just the tip of the ice burg.
2008-12-06T11:14:14  <Procyon> They essentially plan to flip the current model of game marketting statistics on its ear,
2008-12-06T11:14:36  <Procyon> and provide publishers with factual information concerning the purchasing habits of gamers everywhere.
2008-12-06T11:15:07  <Procyon> While that may sound kind of "evil corporate genius" to some of you, in the long term, it should actually result in better games being published.
2008-12-06T11:15:23  <Procyon> I say should, because their's no gaurentee that publishers will actually listen to them,
2008-12-06T11:15:41  <Procyon> but in the long run, it should help publishers identify which games to publish that gamers will actually want to play.
2008-12-06T11:15:53  <Procyon> The good news is this;
2008-12-06T11:16:10  <Procyon> They see SW as a crucial element in part of their plan, and to a lesser extent, abxy.
2008-12-06T11:16:19  <Procyon> Let me focus on abxy for a minute.
2008-12-06T11:16:37  <Procyon> During my phone call with them, they spoke of some of their plans, and I spoke of some of our plans.
2008-12-06T11:16:57  <Procyon> Garrett has been utterly amazing at identifying some key sites of competition that I was completely unaware of.
2008-12-06T11:17:10  <Procyon> One that I was aware of, and I have mentioned this to ness in particular, is raptr.com
2008-12-06T11:17:53  <Procyon> It was not so ironic, that when I pointed out to GamerDNA that we saw raptr.com as a potential competitor to us, they agreed and sited them as one of their competitors as well.
2008-12-06T11:18:42  <Procyon> For those who don't understand what I'm talking about, one function of abxy that hasn't quite gotten off the ground yet, but was always there in the planning stages, is a server/client model instant messenger called abxy Connect, which would be used to connect gamers in much the same fashion that DSMeet did.
2008-12-06T11:19:17  <Procyon> raptr.com got off the ground long before us, but between ness's vision for the product, and GamerDNA's interest and support in wanting a competing project,
2008-12-06T11:19:27  <Procyon> we may be nearing the time when this will finally have a chance to grow.
2008-12-06T11:19:53  <Procyon> Right now, this is just a lot of talking, but what we're finally starting to see is bits of potential growth in a lot of key areas.
2008-12-06T11:20:16  <Procyon> Now, focusing more on us, and less on GamerDNA,
2008-12-06T11:20:31  <Procyon> I have to be very careful about how much information I give out,
2008-12-06T11:20:34  <Procyon> but suficed to say,
2008-12-06T11:20:52  <Procyon> since I opened a bank account specifically to save the money that we get from them,
2008-12-06T11:20:59  <Procyon> (back in the end of September)
2008-12-06T11:21:11  <Procyon> we have well over $2000 saved up.
2008-12-06T11:21:17  <Procyon> That's substantial guys.
2008-12-06T11:21:42  <Procyon> That money represents only about 1.5 months of cooperation with them, as I haven't even gotten November's check.
2008-12-06T11:22:11  <Procyon> We are finally at a point where we need to start thinking, as an organization, how we want to utilize that money.
2008-12-06T11:22:32  <Procyon> And that is the primary focus of this month's meeting, although there are a couple of other points to touch upon before we conclude.
2008-12-06T11:22:43  <Procyon> I don't think we will finish today with an absolute answer,
2008-12-06T11:22:55  <Procyon> but I want everyone to start thinking about it, and generate some ideas.
2008-12-06T11:23:10  <Procyon> The idea that I like best so far, and have championed for a while was Garrett's idea to offer bounties.
2008-12-06T11:23:43  <Procyon> It would work in a similar fashion to GameFAQs' bounties, but it would be awarded to a guide contributor MVP, which is voted for by the community.
2008-12-06T11:23:52  <Procyon> Sysops would obviously be precluded from the competition ;)
2008-12-06T11:23:59  <Garrett> :(
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2008-12-06T11:24:07  <Procyon> Hey!  Welcome DrBob!
2008-12-06T11:24:16  <DrBob> Hi
2008-12-06T11:24:22  <DrBob> Sorry I'm late
2008-12-06T11:24:25  <ness> Welcome DrBob.
2008-12-06T11:24:35  <Procyon> Gerrett: Yeah, I know, it sucks, but the goal is to give new users more incentive to participate.
2008-12-06T11:24:44  <Procyon> That's one thing I can't stand about wikicheats;
2008-12-06T11:24:48  <Procyon> they have this XP system,
2008-12-06T11:25:04  <Procyon> and the only people it benefits are the paid employees who sit there all day and contribute content to the site.
2008-12-06T11:25:09  <Procyon> No standard user can ever compete with them.
2008-12-06T11:25:27  <Garrett> but we're not paid... yet :P
2008-12-06T11:25:41  <Garrett> but yes, that's a flawed way to go about it.
2008-12-06T11:25:58  <Procyon> No, I know, but again, I want their to be a perception that the contest is for regular users... that you don't have to be a "part of the club" to win.
2008-12-06T11:26:07  <Procyon> there...
2008-12-06T11:26:10  <Garrett> definitely.
2008-12-06T11:26:28  <Procyon> So before we dove tail into a discussion about how to utilize the $2k+ that we have so far,
2008-12-06T11:26:34  <Procyon> I want to mention one more point.
2008-12-06T11:26:37  <Procyon> As we speak,
2008-12-06T11:26:41  <Arrow> I better get Hawkie in on this. =P
2008-12-06T11:27:06  <Procyon> there sits an application in the Maryland Department of Taxation and Assessment building,
2008-12-06T11:27:12  <Procyon> for the creation of Abxy LLC.
2008-12-06T11:27:19  <ness> :)
2008-12-06T11:27:23  <Procyon> Prod has been instrumental in helping me with this.
2008-12-06T11:27:38  <Procyon> We will soon be an official company.
2008-12-06T11:27:53  <Procyon> And Garrett's previous point is correct on two levels.
2008-12-06T11:28:28  <Procyon> We're not paid, and we're not paid YET.
2008-12-06T11:28:51  <Procyon> The hope is that as we continue to grow, that will change.
2008-12-06T11:28:56  <Procyon> In the mean time,
2008-12-06T11:29:12  <Procyon> I have come to learn that while LLCs can't sell stock as public shares,
2008-12-06T11:29:25  <Procyon> there is nothing stoping an LLC from distributing shares to its partners.
2008-12-06T11:29:39  <Procyon> Those shares will only have intrinsic value while the company remains private, and non-public,
2008-12-06T11:30:07  <Procyon> but if the company were to ever be purchased, or we went public with an IPO,
2008-12-06T11:30:11  <Procyon> they would suddenly have value.
2008-12-06T11:30:21  <Procyon> Right now, I have no plans to sell Abxy LLC for any amount of money,
2008-12-06T11:30:51  <Procyon> but hypothetically, if you has 1% of the shares, and someone bought Abxy LLC for $1 million, your 1% share would be worth $10,000
2008-12-06T11:30:57  <Procyon> Which isn't too shabby.
2008-12-06T11:31:09  <Procyon> With that said,
2008-12-06T11:31:32  <Procyon> everyone who is here attending this meeting (and some people who are missing) are all potential recipiants of stock.
2008-12-06T11:31:47  <Procyon> There are a ton of details to be worked out, but I just wanted to let you all know.
2008-12-06T11:32:10  <Procyon> You are certainly welcome to opt out of stock ownership, but what it means is you have a stake in the success of the sites.
2008-12-06T11:32:26  <Procyon> All of the topics I've mentioned so far,
2008-12-06T11:32:32  <Procyon> The DoubleJump partnership,
2008-12-06T11:32:39  <Procyon> the GamerDNA phone conference,
2008-12-06T11:32:45  <Procyon> The charity participation
2008-12-06T11:32:50  <Procyon> The money we have in the bank so far,
2008-12-06T11:32:56  <Procyon> the formation of Abxy LLC
2008-12-06T11:33:07  <Procyon> and the opportunity for owning shares in it,
2008-12-06T11:33:30  <Procyon> This is the precipace of a moment when we go from being a group of users with a fun project,
2008-12-06T11:33:45  <Procyon> to actually becoming a full fledged company with a mission.
2008-12-06T11:34:11  <Procyon> And our mission will never be to "make a profit."  If we have a good mission that we're excited about, then the profit will come no matter what.
2008-12-06T11:34:18  <DrBob> "Do no evil"
2008-12-06T11:34:21  <Procyon> Our mission is what we've been doing all along.
2008-12-06T11:34:49  <Procyon> Create a cool and diverse gaming community who is interested in sharing knowledge of video games, and creating a one-stop resource for such information.
2008-12-06T11:35:15  <Procyon> And I personally think we're the best at it on the entire internet.
2008-12-06T11:35:20  <Procyon> I hope you all agree.
2008-12-06T11:35:25  <Prod> "open"
2008-12-06T11:35:32  <Procyon> So, I'm finally stepping down off my soap box.
2008-12-06T11:35:39  <Arrow> YAY!
2008-12-06T11:35:40  <Arrow> Er
2008-12-06T11:35:42  <Arrow> I mean
2008-12-06T11:35:43  <Arrow> That's goo
2008-12-06T11:35:45  <Arrow> d
2008-12-06T11:35:47  <Arrow> >.>
2008-12-06T11:35:48  <Procyon> If you have ideas on how to utilize the money, please share them now.
2008-12-06T11:35:48  <Arrow> =P
2008-12-06T11:36:02  <Procyon> lol, Arrow, I'll take that as an indication of your excitement ^_^
2008-12-06T11:36:31  <najzere> Staff pizza party.
2008-12-06T11:36:40  <Procyon> Now, if you _don't_ have any ideas about the money, I invite you to go off and think about it for a while after the meeting.
2008-12-06T11:36:51  <Procyon> Try to identify: a) what we need and b) what we want.
2008-12-06T11:36:52  <DrBob> Buying video capture hardware for contributors who will make good use of it
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2008-12-06T11:37:01  <Procyon> That's a fantastic idea.
2008-12-06T11:37:07  <Procyon> Hey NMH!
2008-12-06T11:37:08  <ness> Agreed.
2008-12-06T11:37:14  * Procyon opens a file to jot down ideas.
2008-12-06T11:37:22  <Arrow> That'd be a good idea since it'd make the console section grow a little bigger.
2008-12-06T11:37:31  <Arrow> Make 'em a little more...shiny.
2008-12-06T11:37:31  <ness> I'm also in favor of using the money for bounties.
2008-12-06T11:37:36  <Procyon> The LLC can own the device, but can loan it out to partners in the company.
2008-12-06T11:37:59  <Procyon> Yes, I think bounties are fantastic for encouraging new editors,
2008-12-06T11:38:08  <Procyon> AND they are a great way to get us press on the gaming blogs.
2008-12-06T11:38:21  <Procyon> I've been talking with Nick Chester of Destructoid about that for a while.
2008-12-06T11:38:42  <Garrett> the system for it will need to be workable
2008-12-06T11:38:46  <ness> Definitely. Not only will it get us press in the gaming industry, but also in the wiki "industry" -- Wikipedia has always thought about paying contributors.
2008-12-06T11:38:55  <Garrett> for instance, what if two or more people significantly contribute to a popular game?
2008-12-06T11:39:24  <Procyon> Garrett: The plan that I have for it (if everyone doesn't mind talking about it for a little bit)
2008-12-06T11:39:35  <Procyon> would be to open a particular title to a bounty for one month.
2008-12-06T11:39:39  <Procyon> At the end of that month,
2008-12-06T11:39:43  <Procyon> there would be a two week voting period.
2008-12-06T11:39:55  <Procyon> Whether we let people vote for just one, or an ordered top three,
2008-12-06T11:40:11  <Procyon> after two weeks, we tally the votes, and offer prizes to the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd top contibutors.
2008-12-06T11:40:18  <Garrett> sounds good
2008-12-06T11:40:27  <Prod> we can also ask what games people are willing to go to bounties on
2008-12-06T11:40:40  <Prod> and pick th emost relevant guide
2008-12-06T11:40:56  <Prod> otherwise people may not add anything to the guide
2008-12-06T11:41:04  <Notmyhandle> I say bounties only are given if the collab of the month gets finished
2008-12-06T11:41:05  <Procyon> That could work as well.  One thing I want to do is go after our competition a little bit...
2008-12-06T11:41:21  <Garrett> Notmyhandle: the bounty system would probably replace the collaboration system
2008-12-06T11:41:25  <Procyon> NMH: No, you can't put the offer out there and recind it if the guide isn't complete.
2008-12-06T11:41:50  <Procyon> It would go to the guide MVPs for that month, no matter how complete the guide is.
2008-12-06T11:42:10  <Notmyhandle> How do we determine the MVP?
2008-12-06T11:42:13  <najzere> I'm in favor of not tying it to a specific guide, so people can work on whatever they feel like.
2008-12-06T11:42:16  <Procyon> A month is a good amount of time for a guide to be complete, and I'm sure people won't stop working on it after investing that much time in it even after the voting is complete.
2008-12-06T11:42:18  <Notmyhandle> Most characters added?
2008-12-06T11:42:30  <Procyon> NMH: Community vote during a two week period.
2008-12-06T11:42:40  <Skizzerz> I think the terms of the bounty should be set on a per-bounty basis
2008-12-06T11:42:53  <Prod> depending on the size of the guide
2008-12-06T11:42:57  <Procyon> Skiz: That's certainly doable.
2008-12-06T11:43:04  <Skizzerz> like have one bounty be a Map-a-thon, one be a mass-addition of character information, etc.
2008-12-06T11:43:06  <Prod> if it's a big guide and multiple contributors we split it between them
2008-12-06T11:43:15  <Skizzerz> that way it's easier to compare people's work as well
2008-12-06T11:43:31  <Procyon> Naj: One thing that this is trying to help us do is be more competitive with wikicheats.  We want to encourage work on specific guides.
2008-12-06T11:43:45  <ness> Hm.
2008-12-06T11:43:47  <Procyon> Naj: Editors will work on any guide they like regardless of the bounties, that will never change.
2008-12-06T11:44:28  <Procyon> Any other thoughs on bounties or other uses for the money?
2008-12-06T11:44:31  <Rocky> would there be any bounties for the cleanup project?
2008-12-06T11:44:32  <Procyon> thoughts
2008-12-06T11:44:40  <najzere> If bounties are for guides you don't like,or don't know anything about, you probably wouldn't be very interested in the system.
2008-12-06T11:44:55  <Procyon> Rocky: There's nothing to say that there couldn't be, although we want to encourage more content at the moment.
2008-12-06T11:44:55  <DrBob> I wouldn't be happy with bounties for the cleanup project
2008-12-06T11:44:58  <Garrett> there should probably be more than one bounty-eligible game per month
2008-12-06T11:45:10  * Prod agree with Garrett
2008-12-06T11:45:18  <Notmyhandle> So how much are we thinking of?
2008-12-06T11:45:21  <Skizzerz> cleanup project should only be undertaken by those who actually WANT to help clean up the site and are familiar with the methods of doing it
2008-12-06T11:45:22  <Notmyhandle> $$ wise
2008-12-06T11:45:24  <Prod> or we just have a list of bounty valid games
2008-12-06T11:45:27  <Procyon> Naj: Another way to think of it is to attract new editors.
2008-12-06T11:45:29  <DrBob> We don't want new contributors diving straight in and mucking up cleanup for the want of money
2008-12-06T11:45:35  <Prod> and once a significant amount of content is added we award the bounty
2008-12-06T11:45:37  <Skizzerz> in other words, we don't want to give new people money so they can mess up the site more
2008-12-06T11:45:42  <DrBob> Skizzerz: agreed
2008-12-06T11:45:59  <Garrett> Prod: well, the current idea is that it would replace the CotM box for visibility purposes, but that's another option
2008-12-06T11:46:04  <Prod> yea
2008-12-06T11:46:19  <Notmyhandle> We still have space on the com portal
2008-12-06T11:46:32  <Procyon> Obviously, if new users make a mess of things, they aren't likely to get the MVP award.
2008-12-06T11:46:59  <Procyon> Now, one thing I said early on is that sysops will never be elligable for the money.  However, how do you feel about sysops participating in the vote?
2008-12-06T11:47:02  <Procyon> I'm for it.
2008-12-06T11:47:07  <Skizzerz> sure
2008-12-06T11:47:17  <Garrett> Notmyhandle: GameFAQs offers $20 to $60, depending on how wanted the guide is
2008-12-06T11:47:17  <Skizzerz> since sysops generally know what good guides are
2008-12-06T11:47:25  <najzere> SysOps are the only valid voters anyway.
2008-12-06T11:47:25  <Procyon> true
2008-12-06T11:47:33  <najzere> Eliminates sockpuppets.
2008-12-06T11:47:37  <Procyon> Not necessarily
2008-12-06T11:47:38  <najzere> Since we can't win.
2008-12-06T11:47:50  <Procyon> Oh... I see what you mean... hadn't thought about sockpuppets.
2008-12-06T11:48:03  <najzere> We're impartial (supposedly).
2008-12-06T11:48:08  <Procyon> What if we set a contribution minimum on voters... like, you have to have at least 100 contributions to vote.
2008-12-06T11:48:14  <Garrett> socks are especially likely to be a problem if we enable OpenID access
2008-12-06T11:48:24  <Garrett> er, or do that, yes.
2008-12-06T11:48:28  <najzere> A new autoconfirm level?
2008-12-06T11:48:28  <Procyon> Garrett: That's interesting, how so?
2008-12-06T11:48:40  <Garrett> well, it's like a one-click account creation feature
2008-12-06T11:48:46  <Garrett> and it's tied to a URL rather than an email address
2008-12-06T11:48:51  <Garrett> (or at least that's my understanding)
2008-12-06T11:49:13  <DrBob> Garrett: Yes, but surely the URL has to have been registered for OpenID in the first place?
2008-12-06T11:49:17  <Procyon> Well, it's interesting that you brought that up, because that's a subject we have to discuss.
2008-12-06T11:49:35  <DrBob> It might be a one-click process at our end, but I'm pretty sure it's more complex than that to set up the OpenID URL
2008-12-06T11:49:41  <Garrett> DrBob: yes, but you can register multiple with OpenID quite easily.
2008-12-06T11:49:46  <DrBob> :-\
2008-12-06T11:49:51  <Garrett> having said that, the benefits should outweigh the negatives.
2008-12-06T11:49:51  <DrBob> That seems stupid
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2008-12-06T11:50:17  <Procyon> OK, then let's shelve the money topic for a while and move on to OpenID
2008-12-06T11:50:51  <Procyon> Having said that, I invite all of you to think more about how to utilize our funding, and use the Google Group to discuss if if you get any new ideas.
2008-12-06T11:51:16  <Garrett> DrBob: here's an OpenID sign up form : https://www.myopenid.com/signup
2008-12-06T11:51:17  <Procyon> Prod, I'm particularly interested in your thoughts and opinions of the OpenID.
2008-12-06T11:51:22  <Prod> or just the forums
2008-12-06T11:51:27  <Prod> (Garrett): openid is decentralized
2008-12-06T11:51:32  <Garrett> I don't think you have to confirm the address to use the account, but I may be wrong
2008-12-06T11:51:40  <Garrett> Prod: yes. Thats just an example to answer DrBob's query
2008-12-06T11:51:44  <Prod> we configure it locally on our server
2008-12-06T11:51:47  <Prod> ah, ok
2008-12-06T11:51:54  <Procyon> Well, I think GamerDNA configures it.
2008-12-06T11:52:00  <Garrett> by supporting OpenID we would also become an OpenID provider (er, at least that's how I understand it)
2008-12-06T11:52:05  <Prod> we configure ours to work with gdna's
2008-12-06T11:52:09  <Procyon> ok
2008-12-06T11:52:25  <Procyon> Maybe I should provide some background so that everyone understands...
2008-12-06T11:52:37  <Garrett> Procyon: the group isn't open to posts, is it?
2008-12-06T11:52:43  <Garrett> last time I tried it didn't work >_>
2008-12-06T11:52:45  <Procyon> This subject is being rasied because of one of the clauses in our contract with GamerDNA
2008-12-06T11:53:02  <Procyon> Garrett: I thought it was... was I able to simply because I am one of the admins?
2008-12-06T11:53:08  <Garrett> probably >_>
2008-12-06T11:53:19  <Procyon> Garrett: I'll look into it and fix that if I can, or Prod will if I can't.
2008-12-06T11:53:20  <Prod> it should be open to anyone with a google id
2008-12-06T11:53:21  <Skizzerz> I've talked with gamerdna regarding OpenID a bit
2008-12-06T11:53:32  <Procyon> Oh, awesome Skiz, what did you learn?
2008-12-06T11:53:54  <Skizzerz> it's more about the implementation, but by default we'll be using GamerDNA's OpenID server
2008-12-06T11:54:23  <Garrett> Procyon: ah, I was right. "This group is announcement-only. You cannot post messages because you are not a manager."
2008-12-06T11:55:14  <Skizzerz> It creates a pseudo-account on the wiki upon the first login, and then uses that account for every login past that, so it can be blocked, etc. as normal
2008-12-06T11:55:20  <Procyon> Garrett: OK.  Prod, we could either open the group up, or make a locked sysop only forum.
2008-12-06T11:55:40  <Garrett> Skizzerz: so will the extension need much modification to work with GamerDNA's server?
2008-12-06T11:55:44  <Skizzerz> no
2008-12-06T11:55:48  <Skizzerz> it'll need very little
2008-12-06T11:55:59  <Procyon> However,
2008-12-06T11:56:12  <Procyon> there is one thing that the gdna guys have been drilling in to me...
2008-12-06T11:56:28  <Procyon> it doesn't work with phpBB, and they do not want to support it because of how vulnerable it is.
2008-12-06T11:57:15  <Skizzerz> vBulletin rocks
2008-12-06T11:57:21  <Garrett> :D
2008-12-06T11:57:22  <Procyon> gdna has offerred to _give_ us one of their vBulliten licenses if we would like it.
2008-12-06T11:57:32  <DrBob> :|
2008-12-06T11:57:35  <Skizzerz> plus there are conversions that can import a phpBB database into a vBulletin one
2008-12-06T11:57:36  <Procyon> As in give us for free, not charge us.
2008-12-06T11:57:48  <Procyon> I think DrBob and Prod have some converns about vB
2008-12-06T11:57:58  <Prod> however, we're trying to build an "open" network
2008-12-06T11:58:00  <DrBob> I don't, other than that it's not open source
2008-12-06T11:58:09  <Prod> (DrBob): that's the main concern
2008-12-06T11:58:12  <DrBob> I was just surprised they gave us a licence. They're expensive things
2008-12-06T11:58:13  <Prod> we're trying to stay "open"
2008-12-06T11:58:34  <Skizzerz> DrBob: actually, a vB license is a third of the price of a IPB license
2008-12-06T11:58:48  <DrBob> Then IPB licences are even more expensive things :)
2008-12-06T11:58:52  <Procyon> I don't feel strongly about the "open" aspect, however, I highly support Prod and DrBob's opinions, so I want to come to a conclusion that they are happy with.
2008-12-06T11:59:32  <DrBob> Are there any advantages to using vB, other than that we get the licence for free and it's more secure?
2008-12-06T11:59:42  <Procyon> One thing is clear, gdna does not want us sticking with phpBB.  They can't force us, but they are likely to voice their opinions very strenously.
2008-12-06T11:59:45  <Procyon> strenuously
2008-12-06T12:00:00  <Prod> are there any other open source options?
2008-12-06T12:00:07  <DrBob> ocPortal/OCF
2008-12-06T12:00:16  <Prod> that gdna would be happy with?
2008-12-06T12:00:30  <Procyon> I could ask them about that,
2008-12-06T12:00:55  <DrBob> That would allow us to build a site for the rest of abxy too, but I don't know if that's planned again or not
2008-12-06T12:01:10  <Duke> if we can find an open source option that is compatible with OpenID there shouldn't be a problem right?
2008-12-06T12:01:15  <DrBob> If we're not planning to use anything other than forums, ocPortal may be a bit bulky
2008-12-06T12:01:55  <Prod> what else doees it have?
2008-12-06T12:02:06  <DrBob> CMS system
2008-12-06T12:02:16  <Prod> yea, that's probably not needed for us :P
2008-12-06T12:02:17  <DrBob> *CMS
2008-12-06T12:02:19  <Prod> anything else?
2008-12-06T12:02:25  <Garrett> ...
2008-12-06T12:02:28  <DrBob> Kitchen sink?
2008-12-06T12:02:30  <Garrett> Prod: CMS is everything.
2008-12-06T12:02:48  <Prod> yes, but MW is also a CMS
2008-12-06T12:02:58  <Skizzerz> in a loose sense of the term
2008-12-06T12:03:22  <Prod> it's a bit more stringent, but it's a versioned repository of documents
2008-12-06T12:04:03  <Garrett> I don't think a full CMS is needed at the moment
2008-12-06T12:04:26  <Garrett> when and if abxy takes off with all sorts of fancy features it won't be directly shoehorned onto the current site system anyway
2008-12-06T12:05:14  <Procyon> Is there any objection to giving vBulletin a shot for a while?
2008-12-06T12:05:24  <ness> None here.
2008-12-06T12:05:25  <Prod> conversion
2008-12-06T12:05:31  <Prod> skins
2008-12-06T12:05:37  <ness> As long as we'd have a theme going for it, I think there'd be no problem.
2008-12-06T12:05:56  <Garrett> well, it's not like we have a theme now anyway
2008-12-06T12:06:09  <ness> BlueCloud?
2008-12-06T12:06:11  <Skizzerz> conversion should be simple
2008-12-06T12:06:18  <Garrett> ness: I mean on the forum.
2008-12-06T12:06:28  <Procyon> I like the current look of abxy.org
2008-12-06T12:06:42  <Garrett> Procyon: abxy is currently using an out-of-box phpBB skin.
2008-12-06T12:06:47  <Procyon> This sort of dovetails into the last topic that I personally want to raise before we open the floor.
2008-12-06T12:06:55  <Procyon> Garrett: I guess I meant our header then.
2008-12-06T12:07:10  <Procyon> I have spoken with Teddy (who I'm sorry is not here right now),
2008-12-06T12:07:33  <Procyon> and I have gotten a partial confirmation from him that he would be agreeable to creating an alternate skin for a second wiki over winter break.
2008-12-06T12:07:48  <Procyon> I think you all are familiar with the plans that I've had to open a second wiki for quite some time.
2008-12-06T12:07:53  <Procyon> I am extremely eager to do it,
2008-12-06T12:08:09  <Procyon> and I think that this winter break would be the perfect time to act on this plan.
2008-12-06T12:08:16  <ness> Definitely
2008-12-06T12:08:24  <Duke> i can't wait!
2008-12-06T12:08:29  <DrBob> That's a shame, because I'm not back until after January
2008-12-06T12:08:30  <ness> Garrett: Teddy might be able to create a matching skin for phpbb.
2008-12-06T12:08:39  <Prod> or vb
2008-12-06T12:08:41  <Garrett> ness: well, definitely.
2008-12-06T12:08:42  <ness> er
2008-12-06T12:08:44  <ness> vb, whoops.
2008-12-06T12:08:46  <Procyon> Just FYI, so that people understand the purpose of this second wiki is as follows:
2008-12-06T12:09:09  <Garrett> the second wiki will also be a good way to try out some new things. Media sharing, account sharing, Semantic MediaWiki...
2008-12-06T12:09:11  <Procyon> Right now, we have a stringent guideline on what articles can be created on SW, and it's one that I think we all like and support.
2008-12-06T12:09:35  <Procyon> You can make an article for Super Mario Bros., Super Mario World, etc., but you can't make an article for Mario.
2008-12-06T12:09:40  <Procyon> That is intentional and by design.
2008-12-06T12:10:00  <Procyon> However, I would like to create a second wiki so that people CAN create articles such as Mario, Link, Triforce, Mega Man, etc.
2008-12-06T12:10:12  <Procyon> And as Garrett mentioned,
2008-12-06T12:10:25  <Procyon> there would be a lot of opportunities to experiment and do some cool stuff.
2008-12-06T12:10:36  <Prod> it sounds like it would be a video games wikipedia
2008-12-06T12:10:37  <Procyon> I think, in addition to providing another edit space for our users,
2008-12-06T12:10:42  <Garrett> some of which may make its way back to SW
2008-12-06T12:10:55  <Procyon> (yes, in essense that is pretty much what it is, with less exclusion)
2008-12-06T12:11:05  <Prod> well, technically more exclusion
2008-12-06T12:11:10  <Prod> we're excluding everything non-vg
2008-12-06T12:11:27  <Procyon> Right but we're not putting limits on what vg material is allowed.
2008-12-06T12:11:36  <Prod> righ
2008-12-06T12:11:47  <Procyon> It will enable us to compete more with GameFAQs and wikicheats, who don't really provide that information,
2008-12-06T12:12:09  <Procyon> and it will enable us to compete with Wikia a bit more as we will have two entry points of information compared to their hundreds.
2008-12-06T12:12:33  <Procyon> There are two things that I would really like to nail down if we can.
2008-12-06T12:12:33  <Skizzerz> well, Wikia does have a "gaming hub"... but it's full of cruft
2008-12-06T12:12:55  <Prod> (Skizzerz): this will essentially be a "cruft" site won't it?
2008-12-06T12:12:55  <Procyon> Skiz: That's what I mean.  I know that we can be far better organized than them.
2008-12-06T12:12:57  <Garrett> the hub is set up like three sites in one >_>
2008-12-06T12:13:12  <Skizzerz> Garrett: it IS three sites in one...
2008-12-06T12:13:16  <Garrett> true dat
2008-12-06T12:13:19  <Procyon> Garrett pointed out GiantBomb.com to me, and I think we would both like to compete with them as well.
2008-12-06T12:13:48  <Prod> on what level?
2008-12-06T12:13:53  <Procyon> Now, the two things that I would like to try to establish before the end of this meeting is,
2008-12-06T12:13:59  <Garrett> they provide info on characters
2008-12-06T12:14:02  <Procyon> a) What cool name should we choose and
2008-12-06T12:14:03  <Prod> ah
2008-12-06T12:14:07  <Garrett> as well as a very basic guide feature
2008-12-06T12:14:14  <Procyon> b) Can we draft a timeline to make this happen?
2008-12-06T12:14:35  <Garrett> well, we could have a temporary name while in "beta"
2008-12-06T12:14:40  <Garrett> and then announce a cool one once it's all sorted
2008-12-06T12:14:47  <Procyon> I think that with b especially, this is an opportunity to see how well we can execute a plan as an organization.
2008-12-06T12:15:08  <Prod> however, the dependenices will be on the "server" team to begin with
2008-12-06T12:15:16  <Procyon> We technically already did that once when we moved to gdna's servers,
2008-12-06T12:15:29  <Duke> i'm in...  the important thing is going to be hashing out the scope of the new wiki
2008-12-06T12:15:34  <Prod> however, this time we'll be doing a vanilla install and buy new hostnames
2008-12-06T12:15:35  <Duke> and with that, policies
2008-12-06T12:15:44  <Procyon> which if I haven't publically thanked everyone responsible, like Prod, Skiz, and DrBob (dunno if anyone else was involved,) I'd like to thank them now for the excellent job.
2008-12-06T12:15:57  <Prod> and ness/Matt
2008-12-06T12:16:06  <Procyon> Prod: Do we have to buy a new hostname if we subdomain off of SW?
2008-12-06T12:16:11  <Prod> no
2008-12-06T12:16:13  <Procyon> Yes!  Sorry ness, thank you too very much.
2008-12-06T12:16:37  <Procyon> Speaking of Matt, at some point, we will ensure that ownership of our existing domains transfers to Abxy LLC.
2008-12-06T12:16:51  <ness> No problem. :)
2008-12-06T12:16:58  <Procyon> OK, so putting the name issue aside for the moment,
2008-12-06T12:17:18  <Procyon> Prod, do you think you could draft a timeline during which the launching of the second wiki could take place over the holiday break?
2008-12-06T12:17:49  <Skizzerz> should this wiki share the user db with strategywiki?
2008-12-06T12:18:01  <Procyon> Ideally, that would be wonderful,
2008-12-06T12:18:03  <DrBob> I would think so
2008-12-06T12:18:05  <Skizzerz> ok
2008-12-06T12:18:12  <Garrett> definitely.
2008-12-06T12:18:21  <Procyon> Skiz: How difficult do you think that would be?
2008-12-06T12:18:22  <Garrett> ideally, it will also share media, like how Wikimedia Commons works
2008-12-06T12:18:26  <Skizzerz> Procyon: dead simple
2008-12-06T12:18:31  <Procyon> Awesome.
2008-12-06T12:18:36  <Garrett> all this functionality is already included in MediaWiki
2008-12-06T12:18:44  <Skizzerz> ^ yeah
2008-12-06T12:18:55  <Garrett> and once it's been set up once, that opens up other possibilities
2008-12-06T12:18:59  <Procyon> Alright, someone break it down for me like I'm a 5th grader.
2008-12-06T12:19:00  <Garrett> e.g. a Japanese StrategyWiki
2008-12-06T12:19:08  <Procyon> What all needs to be done to launch the second wiki?
2008-12-06T12:19:46  <Procyon> (Garrett: Dunno if you remember, but I went on to 2 or 3 Japanese speaking forums and tried to drum up interest for that, but I got no response :(  Doesn't mean I wouldn't like to try again though.)
2008-12-06T12:19:48  <Garrett> Procyon: setting up the subdomain, enabling account sharing, enabling Commons-like media sharing (optional, but ideal), installing Semantic MediaWiki (possibly), and, er,... that's probably about it.
2008-12-06T12:19:53  <Skizzerz> well, do you want it to be easy-to-install or easy-to-maintain?
2008-12-06T12:20:21  <Procyon> Skiz: Understanding the trade-off your present there, I'd still pick easy-to-maintain.
2008-12-06T12:20:24  <Skizzerz> because we can set it up so that it uses the exact same directory as the current strategywiki (so updating one will update both)
2008-12-06T12:20:47  <ness> Ooh, that's interesting./
2008-12-06T12:20:55  <Prod> do you still see the upload on both sites?
2008-12-06T12:21:00  <DrBob> (And breaking one will break both)
2008-12-06T12:21:06  <Garrett> Procyon: the MapleStory guide is the #1 attraction, and not all of those people are native English-speakers. If Alexa etc. are to be believed, many come from Singapore/Hong Kong/etc.
2008-12-06T12:21:08  <Procyon> But when you say "we" do you really mean up, or do you mean Ian and the gdna team?
2008-12-06T12:21:13  <Skizzerz> Prod: if we share the images, then yes
2008-12-06T12:21:26  <Procyon> up = us
2008-12-06T12:21:45  <Garrett> for future-proofing, having MediaWiki shared would be ideal
2008-12-06T12:21:54  <Garrett> look at all the trouble Wikia had with their implementation
2008-12-06T12:22:04  <Procyon> Garrett: What kind of trouble?
2008-12-06T12:22:09  <Garrett> at one point they had like four different skins active on different sites
2008-12-06T12:22:11  <Prod> it might be better to transition to a commons for images
2008-12-06T12:22:17  <Prod> though
2008-12-06T12:22:22  <Prod> if uploads show up everywhere
2008-12-06T12:22:23  <Garrett> because some low-proitoty sites never got updated by the time the next skin came around
2008-12-06T12:22:28  <Prod> it should be fine as purely shared
2008-12-06T12:22:35  <Garrett> to be fair, admin skin overrides made it worse >_>
2008-12-06T12:22:47  <Skizzerz> admin skin was the worst idea ever >_>
2008-12-06T12:23:12  <Garrett> unfortunately, the media store can't be called "media" because that's a reserved pseudo-namespace
2008-12-06T12:23:35  <Procyon> Garrett: With your previous list of steps, how many "man hours" of work do you think is involved?
2008-12-06T12:23:56  <Garrett> I have no idea, sorry.
2008-12-06T12:24:04  <Skizzerz> with testing, about 3
2008-12-06T12:24:04  <Prod> :P
2008-12-06T12:24:10  <Procyon> OK, could it be done in two weeks?
2008-12-06T12:24:14  <Procyon> Or would that be pushing it?
2008-12-06T12:24:15  <Prod> we also need to find out from gdna if they have time to set up the new site for us
2008-12-06T12:24:30  <ness> Would it be on the same shared solution? or a different one?
2008-12-06T12:24:35  <Prod> same shared
2008-12-06T12:25:06  <Garrett> anyway, I have to go now. I'll be back later today.
2008-12-06T12:25:07  <Garrett> bye all.
2008-12-06T12:25:12  <Prod> cya Garrett
2008-12-06T12:25:23  <Procyon> Bye Garrett!
2008-12-06T12:25:26  <Procyon> Thanks so much!
2008-12-06T12:25:39  <Duke> i'm out too...  stupid exam
2008-12-06T12:25:46  <Procyon> OK Duke, good luck man!
2008-12-06T12:25:46  <Skizzerz> bye
2008-12-06T12:25:51  <Duke> thanks, later
2008-12-06T12:25:52  <Procyon> Thanks for attending before your test >_<
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2008-12-06T12:26:24  <Procyon> OK, well, we can try to coordinate this plan offline.
2008-12-06T12:26:33  <Skizzerz> that could be best
2008-12-06T12:26:34  <Procyon> Before I open the floor any topics that you'd like to discuss,
2008-12-06T12:27:01  <Procyon> Prod, we should make a decision now; either make the Google Group open for discussion, or create a sys-ops only group on the forums.
2008-12-06T12:27:03  <ness> I also need to go. Class begins in 20 minutes. Thanks guys!
2008-12-06T12:27:04  <ness> Bye.
2008-12-06T12:27:06  <Skizzerz> bye
2008-12-06T12:27:13  <Procyon> Bye ness!
2008-12-06T12:27:13  <Prod> cya ness
2008-12-06T12:27:17  <Prod> we always have the forums
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2008-12-06T12:27:36  <Prod> I think the google group should mostly be used as a mailing list
2008-12-06T12:27:55  <Prod> and for now a host for any random files we need
2008-12-06T12:28:03  <Prod> like meeting logs
2008-12-06T12:28:28  <Procyon> OK, so then we will create a sys-ops only forums that should only be visible to all of us.
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2008-12-06T12:28:33  <Procyon> Whoops.
2008-12-06T12:28:39  <Procyon> We're losing people left and right.
2008-12-06T12:28:49  <Skizzerz> Procyon: by sysops-only forum, does that mean "can only be viewed by sysops" or "can only be posted in by sysops"?
2008-12-06T12:29:36  <Procyon> OK, maybe it doesn't need to be sysop only...
2008-12-06T12:29:44  <Skizzerz> well, which one?
2008-12-06T12:29:57  <Procyon> I just didn't think that we'd want to conduct a conversation about starting the new wiki in "Community Issues"
2008-12-06T12:30:08  <Procyon> I was thinking viewable only
2008-12-06T12:30:09  <Prod> i think most of it should be over MSN
2008-12-06T12:30:19  <Procyon> As in chat?
2008-12-06T12:30:20  * Skizzerz thinks not
2008-12-06T12:30:22  <Prod> /gtalk
2008-12-06T12:30:25  <Prod> for planning
2008-12-06T12:30:29  <Prod> once it's up and running
2008-12-06T12:30:32  <Procyon> No, it needs to be stored somewhere.
2008-12-06T12:30:36  <Prod> we can open up a new set of forums for someone
2008-12-06T12:30:40  <Skizzerz> setting up a private forum is easy
2008-12-06T12:30:40  <Procyon> To be referred back to.
2008-12-06T12:30:41  <Prod> for everyone *
2008-12-06T12:31:00  <Prod> there's not too much to plan out
2008-12-06T12:31:06  <Prod> doesn't need many people for the initial set up
2008-12-06T12:31:20  <Procyon> OK, well, then I'll leave it up to how you see best Prod.
2008-12-06T12:31:21  <Prod> after that
2008-12-06T12:31:30  <Prod> we can slowly add more as we need it
2008-12-06T12:31:44  <Prod> things like semantic mw and other extensions can be added later
2008-12-06T12:32:06  * Procyon really wishes that the GamerWiki domain name was available :(
2008-12-06T12:32:35  <Prod> right now I think we only need Teddy, Skizzerz and Matt for the iniital set up
2008-12-06T12:32:39  <Procyon> Oh shit...
2008-12-06T12:32:46  <Procyon> Gamerwiki.org seems available :o
2008-12-06T12:33:02  <Prod> .com?
2008-12-06T12:33:09  <Prod> we should try and get them all
2008-12-06T12:33:10  <Procyon> .com is not.
2008-12-06T12:33:12  <Prod> rather than only a few
2008-12-06T12:33:20  <Skizzerz> ok, the forum is up
2008-12-06T12:33:25  <Procyon> Oh!
2008-12-06T12:33:27  <Procyon> Thanks Skiz :D
2008-12-06T12:33:30  <Skizzerz> accessible by admins, global mods, and local mods only
2008-12-06T12:33:52  <Procyon> Skiz: yeah, but that's abxy mods and admins, not SW sysops... ?
2008-12-06T12:33:56  <Garrett> using the same name/URL as an existing site is asking for trouble
2008-12-06T12:33:59  <Garrett> and yes I'm still actually not here >_>
2008-12-06T12:34:06  <Skizzerz> Prod can add people to the local mods group via the user cp
2008-12-06T12:34:31  <Skizzerz> Procyon: and non-abxy staff that have local mod status can view all the stuff in abxy's staff forums, so I think it's a fair trade-off
2008-12-06T12:35:07  <Skizzerz> I could make a sysops group I suppose
2008-12-06T12:35:43  <Prod> (Skizzerz): i think we can save that for next meeting
2008-12-06T12:35:53  <Skizzerz> ok
2008-12-06T12:35:56  <Procyon> I'll leave that up to Prod
2008-12-06T12:36:01  <Procyon> OK,
2008-12-06T12:36:15  <Procyon> does anyone else have any general comments or questions that they would like to bring up at this time?
2008-12-06T12:36:18  <Procyon> Or shall we wrap it up?
2008-12-06T12:36:33  <Skizzerz> I have two things
2008-12-06T12:37:24  <Skizzerz> namely, extensions
2008-12-06T12:37:31  <Skizzerz> Nuke and CheckUser
2008-12-06T12:37:54  <Procyon> ok
2008-12-06T12:38:05  <Skizzerz> the former allows sysops to mass-delete pages created by a user (useful in vandal attacks), and the latter allows bcrats to discover IP addresses behind accounts
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2008-12-06T12:39:35  <Skizzerz> so, I was thinking it'd be useful to get these two installed on strategywiki
2008-12-06T12:39:52  <Skizzerz> so... about Nuke
2008-12-06T12:39:57  <Skizzerz> any thoughts/concerns?
2008-12-06T12:40:23  <Prod> right now the only one we have who needs it is MrSue
2008-12-06T12:40:27  <Rocky> is there a way to revert the deletions?
2008-12-06T12:40:43  <Skizzerz> Rocky: Special:Undelete
2008-12-06T12:40:44  <Prod> or rather the only one we need to use it against *
2008-12-06T12:40:54  <Rocky> so you'd have to do it by hand?
2008-12-06T12:40:55  <Prod> (Skizzerz): is it mass undelete, or one by one?
2008-12-06T12:41:00  <Skizzerz> lemme check
2008-12-06T12:41:26  <Skizzerz> manually
2008-12-06T12:41:30  <Skizzerz> so, one by one
2008-12-06T12:41:48  <Rocky> so if you get the wrong user then you can delete a LOT of pages?
2008-12-06T12:41:49  <Prod> is there a limit to the number that can be deleted at once?
2008-12-06T12:42:04  <Skizzerz> a checklist is presented listing pages that you can delete, where you select them
2008-12-06T12:42:30  <Rocky> what if an account was hijacked?
2008-12-06T12:42:43  <Skizzerz> a sysop account was hijacked?
2008-12-06T12:42:47  <Skizzerz> then we have other issues
2008-12-06T12:42:47  <Rocky> yeah
2008-12-06T12:42:54  <Prod> don't share your password >_>
2008-12-06T12:43:02  * Procyon doesn't want anyone to Nuke:Procyon >_<;
2008-12-06T12:43:15  <Notmyhandle> I don't think we need it
2008-12-06T12:43:20  <Notmyhandle> MrSue issues are 10 pages tops
2008-12-06T12:43:22  <Skizzerz> it only shows recent edits as well (aka stuff that still shows up in recent changes)
2008-12-06T12:43:32  <Skizzerz> Notmyhandle: um... check the deletion log?
2008-12-06T12:43:42  <Skizzerz> Garrett and I just deleted about 50-ish pages in his last attack
2008-12-06T12:43:43  <Procyon> Oh, hey,
2008-12-06T12:43:48  <Procyon> speaking of vandals,
2008-12-06T12:44:01  <Procyon> has anyone noticed an increase of those like 10 character insert things?
2008-12-06T12:44:13  <Procyon> Like, nothing will be added except something random like "sgjtywgvh1"
2008-12-06T12:44:21  <Procyon> Anyone know what the heck that's about?
2008-12-06T12:45:03  <Procyon> Nobody?
2008-12-06T12:45:10  <Skizzerz> nope
2008-12-06T12:45:46  <Procyon> Alright, well, we should bring this to a close.  Skiz: If you want to install Nuke, I'm fine with it.  I mean, as long as only sysops can use it, then if you want to use it, it's there, and if you don't, you don't have to.
2008-12-06T12:45:53  <Procyon> As for CheckUser,
2008-12-06T12:46:01  <Procyon> that's a bag of worms that I know Prod is concerned about,
2008-12-06T12:46:11  <Procyon> and we should probably put it to the top of the next meeting.
2008-12-06T12:46:30  <Notmyhandle> Proc: I saw one page like that
2008-12-06T12:46:35  <Procyon> Skiz, are you ok with tabling the issue for now?
2008-12-06T12:46:39  <Skizzerz> sure
2008-12-06T12:46:44  <Procyon> Cuz it seems like this meeting has run out of steam.
2008-12-06T12:46:46  <Procyon> OK.
2008-12-06T12:46:52  <Procyon> I want to thank everyone so much for coming.
2008-12-06T12:46:56  <Skizzerz> yeah, it looks like everything on the agenda has been covered
2008-12-06T12:46:59  <Procyon> I'm really really excited about things,
2008-12-06T12:47:03  <Procyon> in case anyone can't tell ^_^
2008-12-06T12:47:09  <Procyon> But most of all,
2008-12-06T12:47:23  <Procyon> I'm excited to be working with what I think is a fantastically talented team of guys like you.
2008-12-06T12:47:29  <Procyon> And I'm not trying to kiss anyone's ass.
2008-12-06T12:47:52  <Procyon> So with that, I'd say the meeting is closed.  We'll meet up next after new years.